tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post7471746344573362328..comments2023-07-06T15:14:57.204+01:00Comments on JOHN'S BLOG: Tampering with CreedsJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-74480846199406439112007-05-14T19:16:00.000+01:002007-05-14T19:16:00.000+01:00The Sirmium councils weren't orthodox - were gener...The Sirmium councils weren't orthodox - were generally opposed to Nicea, although many of the people involved ended up back in orthodoxy by the council of Constantinople in 381.<BR/><BR/>So they really really weren't binding. My point was that the Apostles' Creed as it now stands was first approved by a council at Trent, which was explicitly anti-Reformation.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-80114204985749382272007-05-14T15:35:00.000+01:002007-05-14T15:35:00.000+01:00I never liked the "descent" clause, because it rea...I never liked the "descent" clause, because it reads like the guy who was told "today you will be with me in Paradise" was on the wrong end of some very black humour.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697590799264033939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-34753048106356856302007-05-14T14:50:00.000+01:002007-05-14T14:50:00.000+01:00And, as I recall, the early editions of Institutes...And, as I recall, the early editions of <I>Institutes</I> were essentially an exposition of the Apostles' Creed.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-2573488175309392472007-05-14T14:34:00.000+01:002007-05-14T14:34:00.000+01:00Kelly (p. 378 of _Early Christian Creeds_) says th...Kelly (p. 378 of _Early Christian Creeds_) says that the clause about the descent first occurs in the Aquileian version of the Apostles’ Creed, which Grudem dates at 390. Kelly adds that its first creedal appearance in any form is in ‘the Fourth Formula of Sirmium’ of 359.<BR/><BR/>My guess is that the Reformers kept the then-current version of the Creed to show that they were the true heirs of Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.com