tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post115746071594582632..comments2023-07-06T15:14:57.204+01:00Comments on JOHN'S BLOG: Exodus 20:2Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157560047652560582006-09-06T17:27:00.000+01:002006-09-06T17:27:00.000+01:00Great to have you commenting again, saa.I'll admit...Great to have you commenting again, saa.<BR/><BR/>I'll admit I'm thinking through the extend to which the exodus, etc is analagous to the New Covenant. Does Israel at the Exodus have a direct correspondance to any group after Jesus? "Mr Hebrews" seems to see the correspondance as the (visible) Church - is that the only true correspondance, and if so, where does <I>that</I> leave limited atonementJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157558211043736222006-09-06T16:56:00.000+01:002006-09-06T16:56:00.000+01:00i'm interested in your conversation, and i'd like ...i'm interested in your conversation, and i'd like to shove my oar in, for what it's worth.<BR/><BR/>custardy, about your comparison of Christ to the exodus, i have read / heard quite a lot about that (can't think exactly where, but reformed / puritan stuff is a good place to look). but if you're going to talk about Christ's death / the exodus being <I>potentially</I> salvific for everyone, you Susan Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00894948244988727627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157486949949593372006-09-05T21:09:00.000+01:002006-09-05T21:09:00.000+01:00I don't think Ex 19 and 20:2 are primarily about g...I don't think Ex 19 and 20:2 are primarily about gratitude (though it's in there). I think the motivation they provide is primarily covenant participation.<BR/><BR/>Agreed - both / and approaches are often right...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157483370977967482006-09-05T20:09:00.000+01:002006-09-05T20:09:00.000+01:00Thanks, Custard, for your helpful comments. Yes, I...Thanks, Custard, for your helpful comments. Yes, I agree that Ex. 20:2 should be included in the liturgy (given that Ex. 20:1 and 3ff are) -- for the same reasons as those on account of which I agree with you that it was wrong for the Baptist church to replace `this is my body' with `this is a symbol of my body' -- one shouldn't tamper with the words of Scripture. <BR/><BR/>I agree that gratitudeDaniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157481653745610342006-09-05T19:40:00.000+01:002006-09-05T19:40:00.000+01:00I'm inclined towards saying that the people of Isr...I'm inclined towards saying that the people of Israel at the time of the 10 Commandments are in some senses analagous to the whole of humanity today. Just as the Exodus brought (potential) deliverance for the nation of Israel, though in many cases this was not fulfilled because of disobedience, so Jesus brought (potential) deliverance for the whole of humanity, though in many cases this will not Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157478268086821912006-09-05T18:44:00.000+01:002006-09-05T18:44:00.000+01:00Why do you think that "I am the LORD your God, who...Why do you think that "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery" is quoted by God as the <B>sole ground</B> for obedience? God punished Cain for breaking the 6th commandment before the Exodus, and punished Adam and Eve for breaking the 1st commandment right at the start of things.<BR/><BR/>I don't think the promise of the 5th commandment applies <B>Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157477453143793422006-09-05T18:30:00.000+01:002006-09-05T18:30:00.000+01:00Oh, it turns out that the 10 Commandments were int...Oh, it turns out that the 10 Commandments were introduced in the liturgy, with 20:2 omitted, in the 1552 Prayer Book. They weren't in the 1549 one and aren't in the Catholic one, so it's not their fault...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157477342355272592006-09-05T18:29:00.000+01:002006-09-05T18:29:00.000+01:00But it's not what they're revealed for, and those ...But it's not what they're revealed for, and those aren't the grounds on which God tells people to obey.<BR/><BR/>Note also the promise attached to the 5th. Does that apply to people other than God's redeemed covenant people?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157476693828128972006-09-05T18:18:00.000+01:002006-09-05T18:18:00.000+01:00Surely the 10 commandments (with the possible exce...Surely the 10 commandments (with the possible exception of the 4th!) are binding on everyone, aren't they, whether or not they have been saved by God? I mean, Satan still ought not to disobey the 10 commandments.Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157475105923865272006-09-05T17:51:00.000+01:002006-09-05T17:51:00.000+01:00Yes, but it's not what the 10 Commandments are abo...Yes, but it's not what the 10 Commandments are about.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18654361.post-1157474777933959842006-09-05T17:46:00.000+01:002006-09-05T17:46:00.000+01:00`In the first one, it looks like God demands that ...`In the first one, it looks like God demands that kind of loyalty simply because he exists'<BR/>But this is basically right, isn't it? We should obey God because in his very nature he is worthy of such obedience, he doesn't have to <B>do</B> anything to <B>earn</B> our obedience. In other words, the simple fact that he exists suffices to imply that we should obey him; our obedience is not Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.com